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We now know that the alleged attack by a North Vietnamese torpedo boat on an American destroyer was absolutely fabricated, completely fictitious.  President Lyndon B Johnson made use of the lie to justify the Vietnam War.  Manfried Petritsch, financial dude



100,000 Americans and countless allies in Korea and Vietnam were killed by our own technology.  Nothing less.  Anthony Sutton, lecture 1973, National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union



How Can Britain Approve A War Like This?  Sunday Mirror headline of Vietnam



‘The music is the only living thing.  Draft only those over forty.  It’s their war; let them kill each other.’  Lou Reed, The Velvet Underground



It’s an incredible story.  Newly elected Nixon was up to his neck in the Vietnam War.  He needed a big stunt to reverse his negative image with the American public.  Dark Side of the Moon, 2002  



In contrast to Britain, France tried to reassert control over its empire  most notably it attempted to return to normal in Indo-China.  The land today as Vietnam.  No sooner had France found peace in Europe it embarked on a war against the Viet Minh, the national liberation army of Vietnam led by Ho Chi Minh.  This was to be a long and painful experience for the French that would eventually cost them 90,000 lives, and the Vietnamese people millions.  World War II: The Complete History: The Presence of History, Discovery 2000



South Vietnam ... A rainforest inside a cave.  Iain Stewart, How to Grow a Planet I: Life from Light, BBC 2012



See, the greatest sports title mean nothing, mister, if you cannot be free, see.  Boys in Vietnam are throwing away, you may say, their lives.  I havent did that much.  They are dying today to free somebody they dont know.  Im still living.  So what in the hell is a heavyweight title and a few sneaker dollar bills for my peoples freedom?  Muhammad Ali, television Interview



I aint got no quarrel with the Viet-Cong.  Muhammad Ali



Why me?  The Heavyweight Champ of the World.  And ranking me as 1A without testing me – no way.  I can’t understand it.  And I’m trying to figure out, Why me?  Muhammad Ali



I just can’t understand how they could reclassify me as 1-A when they were the ones who said ... that I was 1-Y, that I wasn’t qualified.  That was their decision.  Now all of a sudden I’m 1-A without any tests, without notifying me or checking if I’m any wiser than I was last time or any worser.  Muhammad Ali, televised interview



Why should me and so-called Negroes go ten thousand miles away from home and America to drop bombs and bullets on other innocent brown people who has never bothered us?  And I will say directly, No, I will not go.  Muhammad Ali



And you want me to go somewhere and fight, and you won’t stand up for me here at home!  Muhammad Ali  



Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?  No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over.  This is the day when such evils must come to an end.  I have been warned that to take such a stand would cost me millions of dollars.  But I have said it once and I will say it again: the real enemy of my people is here.  I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality.  If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow.  I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs.  So I’ll go to jail, so what?  We’ve been in jail for 400 years.  Muhammad Ali



It has been said that I have two alternatives: either go to jail or go to the army.  But I would like to say that there is another alternative: and that alternative is Justice.  Muhammad Ali



Clay Refuses Army Oath; Stripped of Boxing Crown.  The New York Times



The drug problem in Vietnam is more than marijuana.  At this point it is estimated that one third of American troops are experimenting with opium and heroin ... An epidemic of heroin among American soldiers.  American Gangster 2007 ***** starring Denzel Washington & Russell Crowe & Chiwetel Ejiofor & Cuba Gooding jr & Josh Brolin & Ted Levine & Armand Assante & Yul Vazqez & Ruby Dee et al, director Ridley Scott, news report



We did it to protest against the apathy with which people sit back and watch the genocide in Vietnam.  The Baader Meinhof Complex 2005 [Der Baader Meinhof Komplex] starring Moritz Bleibtreu & Martina Gedeck & Johanna Wokalek & Nadja Uhl & Simon Licht & Alexandra Maria Lara & Susanne Bormann & Bruno Ganz et al, director Uli Edel



Events afterward [Bay of Tonkin, Vietnam] showed that we’d been attacked that day was wrong.  It didn’t happen ... We was wrong.  Robert S McNamara, The Fog of War, 2003


We saw Vietnam as an element of the Cold War.  Not what they saw it as – a civil war.  ibid.


I do not believe we should ever apply that economic, political, military power unilaterally.  ibid.


None of our allies supported us.  ibid.


If we can’t persuade nations of comparable values of the merit of our cause we’d better re-examine our reasoning.  ibid.


What is morally appropriate in a war-time environment?  ibid.


Agent Orange – were they committing a crime against humanity?  ibid.



You asked whether I was optimistic or pessimistic.  Today I can tell you military progress in the past twelve months has exceeded our expectation.  Robert McNamara



We of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations who participated in the decisions on Vietnam acted according to what we thought were the principles and traditions of this nation.  We made our decisions in light of those values.  Yet we were wrong, terribly wrong.  We owe it to future generations to explain why.  I truly believe that we made an error not of values and intentions, but of judgment and capabilities.  Robert McNamara, In Retrospect 



When war becomes that profitable youre going to see more of it.  Chalmers Johnson



During the Vietnam War an incredible seven million tons of bombs were dropped on Indo-China.  Saul David, Bullets, Boots and Bandages: How to Really Win at War III: Raising Arms, BBC 2012



Vietnam: A bitter conflict in South East Asia [sic].  America fears communism will sweep the region and wants to stop its influence.  The US and all its technology comes up against a determined guerrilla movement.  The war is being fought by hundreds of thousands of drafted young Americans.  America: The Story of the US: Millennium, History 2010


The baby boomers want an end to the Vietnam War and they take their protest to the streets.  ibid.


1970: Theres been thousands of anti-Vietnam war protests.  Kent State University Ohio: The National Guard are ordered in to control five hundred protesting students.  Television is here watching.  Four students are shot dead.  ibid.


Twice as many bombs were dropped than in the whole of World War II.  Over seven million tons.  But what sticks in American minds are the pictures they see on their TV sets.  ibid.