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20,482.  3,200 Years Ago: After decades of warfare Agamemnon, King of Mycenae, has forced the kingdoms of Greece into a loose alliance.  Only Thessaly remains unconquered.  Agamemnon’s brother Menelaus, King of Sparta, is weary of battle.  He seeks to make peace with Troy, the most powerful rival to the emerging Greek nation.  Achilles, considered the greatest warrior ever born, fights for the Greek Army.  But his disdain for Agamemnon’s rule threatens to break the fragile alliance apart.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Mycenae)  Troy 2004 starring Brad Pitt & Eric Bana & Orlando Bloom & Rose Byrne & Peter O'Toole & Diane Kruger & Brian Cox & Sean Bean & Julie Christie & Saffron Burrows et al, director Wolfgang Petersen, opening caption

 

20,483.  Will our actions echo across the centuries?  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Action)  ibid.  commentary

 

20,484.  Good day for the crows.  I like your land.  I think we’ll stay.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy)  ibid.  Agamemnon

 

20,485.  I wouldn’t be bothering with the shield then would I?  That’s why no-one will remember your name.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Name)  ibid.  Achilles to boy

 

20,486.  Imagine a king who fights his own battles.  Wouldn’t that be a sight?  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & King & Battle)  ibid.  Achilles to Agamemnon

 

20,487.  Is there no-one else?  Is there no-one else?  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy)  ibid.  Achilles to Thessalian king

 

20,488.  I have made many mistakes this week.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Sex)  ibid.  Helen to Paris

 

20,489.  You’d let Troy burn for this woman?  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Woman)  ibid.

 

20,490.  We’re sending the largest fleet that ever sailed.  A thousand ships.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Ships)  ibid.  Odysseus to Achilles

 

20,491.  This war will never be forgotten.  Nor will the heroes who fight in it.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & War)  ibid.

 

20,492.  I knew they would come for you long before you were born.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy)  ibid.  Thetis to Achilles

 

20,493.  Your glory walks hand in hand with your doom.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Glory)  ibid.    

 

20,494.  Do not mock the gods.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Gods)  ibid.  Priam to Hector

 

20,495.  War is young men dying and old men talking.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & War)  ibid.  Odysseus to Achilles

 

20,496.  History remembers kings not soldiers.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & History & King & Soldier)  ibid.  Agamemnon to Achilles

 

20,497.  Before my time is done I will look down on your corpse and smile.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy)  ibid.  Achilles to Agamemnon

 

20,498.  This is about power not love.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Love & Power)  ibid.  Hector to Helen

 

20,499.  At night I see their faces.  All the men I’ve killed.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Night & Kill)  ibid.  Achilles to Patroclus

 

20,500.  We men are wretched things.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Men)  ibid.

 

20,501.  The gods envy us.  They envy us because we’re mortal.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Gods)  ibid.  Achilles to Briseis

 

20,502.  No father ever had a better son.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Son)  ibid.  Priam to Hector

  

20,503.  It never ends.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy)  ibid.  Briseis to Achilles

 

20,504.  Let me place two coins on his eyes for the boatman.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy)  ibid.  Priam to Achilles

 

20,505.  Let Troy burn!  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy)  ibid.  Agamemnon

 

20,506.  If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants.  (GBH Films & Greece & Troy & Story & Giants)  ibid.  commentary

 

 

59,558.  I sing of arms and the man who first from the shores of Troy came destined an exile to Italy and the Lavinian beaches, much buffeted on land and on the deep by force of the gods because of fierce Juno’s never-forgetting anger.  (Rome & Troy & Greece)  Virgil, Aeneid

 

59,559.  So massive was the effort to found the Roman nation.  (Rome & Troy & Greece)  ibid.

 

59,560.  Do not trust the horse, Trojans.  Whatever it is, I fear the Greeks even when they bring gifts.  (Rome & Troy & Greece)  ibid.

 

59,561.  I see wars, horrible wars, and the Tiber foaming with much blood.  (Rome & Troy & Greece)  ibid.

 

 

61,057.  Schliemann used his fortune to follow his dream, one of the most elusive prizes in archaeology: the ancient city of Troy.  (Archaeology & Troy)  Dr Richard Miles, Archaeology: A Secret History II: In Search of Civilisation 

 

 

61,835.  I’m in the Mediterranean on the trail of a legend.  A warrior from Greece who triumphed at Troy.  His name is Odysseus.  And he is the hero of a two and a half thousand year old poem called the Odyssey.  It’s the diary of a wandering man and a lost soul.  He describes a ten-year journey criss-crossing these oceans and pinballing between islands.  (Greece & Troy)  Professor Simon Armatage, Gods and Monsters: Homer’s Odyssey 2010

 

61,836.  The Troy described by the poet Homer is a powerful city state.  But then the Greeks came here to fight a famous war.  For ten years they tried to smash through its impregnable walls.  And for ten years they failed.  It’s a bloody and blinding conflict.  (Greece & Troy)  ibid.

 

 

67,297.  In 1870 he studies Greek, goes nuts about the Trojan war and decides that Homer is telling the literal truth.  Because he – Heinrich Schliemann – is going to find the fabled city of Troy.  A project about which he becomes quite deranged.  Well since he knows as much about archaeology as I do he kind of destroys the site, fails to find Troy, and accidentally turns up a fortune in gold and jewels.  This makes him internationally infamous, because he kind of steals it.  Well what would you call secret shipments back home.  (Civilisation & Troy)  James Burke, Connections II 1994: The Big Spin s2e13

 

 

91,741.  In Troy there lies the scene.  From isles of Greece

The princes orgulous, their high blood chafed,

Have to the port of Athens sent their ships,

Fraught with the ministers and instruments

Of cruel war.  (Troy & Greece)  William Shakespeare, Troilus and Cressida, prologue

 

 

91,742.  In May this year Hollywood releases its latest epic.  It’s the story of the Trojan war.  But is any of it more than just a myth?  Tonight Horizon can reveal the latest scientific evidence about the real Troy.  The evidence comes from the written tablets of a lost civilisation; a lost shipwreck and treasure uncovered at Troy itself.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  Horizon: The Truth of Troy

 

91,743.  The story was composed by the Greek poet Homer almost three thousand years ago.  It’s so compelling that for centuries people wondered whether any of it was true.  Was there a war fought for love?  Did a coalition of Greeks set sail?  Did Troy even exist?  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid.

 

91,744.  The first breakthrough was made by Heinrich Schliemann in 1870.  He was something of an amateur but he had other qualities ... They placed Troy in the north west corner of what is now Turkey ... Fifteen metres down he found a walled palace with a paved ramp leading to a gate.  Schliemann thought he had found Homer’s Troy.  The rest of the world wasn’t so sure.  But in this trench he answered the doubters with a breath-taking discovery: treasure.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites & Treasure & Archaeology)  ibid.

 

91,745.  These jewels could never have been worn by Helen.  They were more than a thousand years too old.  Schliemann had dug down too deep.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites & Treasure & Archaeology)  ibid.

  

91,746.  Perhaps there was more to Troy than had so far been uncovered.  Outside the city walls [Manfred] Korfmann’s team began to excavate ... A city of the late Bronze Age was now revealed.  Korfmann believes it was a sizeable city with a population between four and eight thousand.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites & Archaeology)  ibid.

 

91,747.  After three thousand years the legendary city of Troy seemed to have become a reality.  It seemed there was some historical truth in the myth.  But there was still no evidence that Troy had been destroyed as Homer said by an enemy army ... Soon they began to find evidence of violence.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid.

 

91,748.  But were the Greeks capable of mounting an expedition together?  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid.

 

91,749.  Another possible motivation for a war began to emerge from the stones of Mycenae.  That motivation was greed.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid.

 

91,750.  Korfmann believes that Troy became a wealthy city because of its strategic position as a gateway between two continents.  So it seems Troy was a very desirable city, desirable to the Mycenaeans because of its wealth.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid.

 

91,751.  The late Bronze Age was a time of rich trade, of great wealth being moved across the high seas.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid.

 

91,752.  The Hittites ... A superpower of the late Bronze Age ... The tablets described festering conflicts involving the Mycenaeans all along the coast ... Conflicts spread over two hundred years.  The tablets stated Mycenaean warriors had once fought at the gates of Troy to win Helen back.  That it was a war of love and vengeance.  It makes a wonderful story but it has never seemed very likely.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid.

 

91,753.  The tablets show that Troy was an ally of the Hittites.  If Troy was attacked the Hittites were likely to come and fight alongside them.  So Homer’s legend appears to have been based on a real conflict between two superpowers of the Late Bronze Age – the Mycenaeans and the Hittites.  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid.

 

91,754.  So there was no face that launched by a thousand ships.  The war or wars were not fought for love but more likely for gold and loot.  And what of the Trojan Horse?  (Troy & Greece & Bronze Age & Mycenae & Hittites)  ibid. 

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